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The very first pokemon made?
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Treeckomaster
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Blazikendude wrote: It was Rhydon, you see, misingno was one the last pokemon there was, but they decided to take it out of the game, but they forgot to get rid of its battle data, thats why it exists. But there's a way to really badly glitch up your game, and when you do the last ever pokemon, missigno evoles into the first rhydon. [This 100% fact, and somebody in my school proved it, but it only happens in r/b/y]
The only 100% fact was that Rhydon was the first slot. When I explained the theory about Rhydon, (I was not the one who proved it) I just was explaining on how Missingno. was a pokemon the games designers may have left in, without any real data. Thus making the Pokemon change to the first slot made, Rhydon. But I have read a rumour (Wikipedia rumor) that Rhydon waws the first made. Period
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Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:41 am |
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gamer guy
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I wonder what would of made them think of Rhydon? I wonder what a breathing, walking drill would look like?
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Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:08 am |
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Lugion
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Actually, it's Mew. You can see for yourselves by looking at the patent numbers. Mew was actually patented before the name "Pocket Monsters" was.
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Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:12 am |
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Frost
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Don't see how that proves anything. I can't invent two different things but decide to patent the second invention before the first? If they had preliminary designs done for the original video games, and thought they wanted to name their super-secret 151st Pokemon an ordinary, common name like "Mew," then it's not exactly a surprise that they would want to patent that name first, especially since nobody else had, right?
And to back up Pelli, PIKACHU BEING THE MASCOT OF POKEMON MEANS NOTHING. Ash's starter in the anime was originally going to be Clefairy, just like Red's was in the manga. But they decided to change it to Pikachu at the last minute and, AS A RESULT, Pikachu became so popular in Japan that they felt the need to create Yellow and later add it to the first Super Smash Brothers. There wasn't anything really special about Pikachu in Red/Green; Eevee could also evolve with the Thunderstone, and Pichu didn't come until years later. Thus, there's no evidence that Pikachu was first.
Bulbasaur being number one in the National Dex also proves nothing. The starters have always been the first nine Pokemon in every Pokedex, and the basic form of the Grass starter has always been the first. Every regional Pokedex has always been ordered, in some degree, to follow the pattern you'll find the Pokemon for each game; that's why the starters are always the first nine. There's really nothing to support Bulbasaur being the first Pokemon created; you're just speculating, in a rather halfassed way, at that.
Rhydon's evidence is slightly more convincing but trying to cite "Wikipedia articles" almost but squashes anybody's credibility. Maybe, and for that matter more probably, they just programmed Rhydon first for some other reason completely unrelated to what Pokemon was designed first.
And Missingno. is nothing more than a glitch, plain and simple; it was NEVER intended to be a real Pokemon. In RBY, the game tries to read a hex number between 0-255 and pulls Missingno. up for any of the 155 slots that don't have a Pokemon assigned to it; the "sprite," which is nothing more than a mass of pixels, is just an error caused by the lack of a Pokemon's data. So, no, it wasn't "the first Pokemon created but it was partially removed and that's why it looks so messed up" or whatever other foolish reason I saw mentioned earlier.
I wouldn't be surprised if Poliwhirl (Tajiri's real favorite Pokemon, not Poliwag, which explains why Poliwhirl has such a big role in promotional materials despite so few people really caring about him) was actually the first made. But the truth is that WE'LL PROBABLY NEVER KNOW.
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Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:23 am |
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pokemonever515
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superwill_925 wrote: but was the 1st to be downloaded probly i agree cause it is the first one!but pkachu is the most famous but remember they had the 3 starters before pika pika .nut in the show is mewtwo cause in the opening it shows mew and mewtwo in outer space
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Esca
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Hmmm... I doubt it's poliwhirl. Poliwhirl was probably early, but not the first. If anything, I think that Butterfree/beedrill/etc were the first, as that wikipedia article does have a point, but Wikipedia articles are never 100% trustworthy...
But all in all...we'll probably never know. There was probably some fateful editing and redesigning, and most likely, the first pokemon to be thought up by the creator may have well been destroyed.
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Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:31 pm |
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DNA
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Frost wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if Poliwhirl (Tajiri's real favorite Pokemon, not Poliwag, which explains why Poliwhirl has such a big role in promotional materials despite so few people really caring about him) was actually the first made.
Actually I said Poliwag because I cited this quote from Wikipedia:
"According to the Pokémon Special (#3) for the Official Nintendo Magazine, * Poliwag was the first Pokémon to be designed by Satoshi Tajiri and Ken Sugimori. It is Tajiri's favorite Pokémon. He likes how the swirls on its stomach 'are where its intestines should be'."
*I find that quite interesting, to say the least...
Then again, something being a favorite doesn't mean it's the first.
Unless the knowledge is released,
Frost wrote: But the truth is that WE'LL PROBABLY NEVER KNOW.
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Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:28 am |
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psyched369
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i always thought it was pikachu because that was the first pokemon seen in the anime shows or at least the first one ash saw
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Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:29 pm |
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Xiahou
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if it is an insect it will be weedle (it looks simple)
but what I strongly belive is Ho-oh
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Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:43 am |
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Evilcow
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Blazikendude wrote: It was Rhydon, you see, misingno was one the last pokemon there was, but they decided to take it out of the game, but they forgot to get rid of its battle data, thats why it exists. But there's a way to really badly glitch up your game, and when you do the last ever pokemon, missigno evoles into the first rhydon. [This 100% fact, and somebody in my school proved it, but it only happens in r/b/y] Ive actually done this many times in red, and im 99% sure it evolves into kanghaskhan. (ignore spelling)
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:10 am |
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Eon
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I thought Pikachu. But Ho-Oh is a possible.
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:18 am |
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Sion9
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Xiahou wrote: but what I strongly belive is Ho-oh
since Ho-oh is 2nd gen, I doubt it was the 1st created...why do you think it's Ho-oh?
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:46 am |
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DNA
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In the first episode of the anime, at the end, a giant golden bird (Ho-Oh) is seen flying over Ash's head. This could be possible, but honestly, who knows?
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:00 am |
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Shiny Munchlax
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i'm gonna stick my neck out. by guessing its either or *meh*
- too uber-ish you think?
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Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:18 pm |
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-Night-
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the only way to find out is to ask the man who created pokemon, I'm sure they would be glad to tell you
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:45 am |
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Shiny Munchlax
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-Night- wrote: the only way to find out is to ask the man who created pokemon, I'm sure they would be glad to tell you
meh, i let someone else take care of that.
has excuse, but im sticking to it.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:25 am |
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Pillage
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Titan of Lightning wrote: superwill_925 wrote: but was the 1st to be downloaded probly
So let me get this straight: You thing that they drew out each Pokemon in order as they went along? That would be hard, you know. You try doing it.
Anyway, what was the first Pokemon ever made? If we were to so pokemon in the dex, then sure, it's Rhydon. But how are we to really know which was the first ever pokemon? As someone pointed out, it could be a worthless scrap, now. Or, it was so stupid and ugly, that when they started sketching the 4th gen, they noticed the drawing and said "Hey, this is so stupid and ugly, that it fits in with all the 4th gen Pokemon!"
Naww Pretty sure they said 3rd Gen. That's where all the crappy worthless stuff go like Max, Pokemon Contests, and PokeBlocks.. oh and Zigzagoon.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:47 am |
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Pillage
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Sion9 wrote: Xiahou wrote: but what I strongly belive is Ho-oh
since Ho-oh is 2nd gen, I doubt it was the 1st created...why do you think it's Ho-oh?
He sees it in the 1st episode, that's probably why.
Idk who it might be, nor do I care. Maybe Clefairy.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:54 am |
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Joey90
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Pillage wrote: Idk who it might be, nor do I care. Maybe Clefairy.
Why post then :roll: and then double posting aswell... that's just stupid.
Well it is 99% likely to be a 1st gen pokémon...
Though it could be a pokémon that was either changed beyond recognition, or simply scrapped (the first ideas people come up with are not always the best ) and the first 'pokémon' was probably just a drawing to illustrate the idea
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:19 am |
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Pillage
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Joey90 wrote: Pillage wrote: Idk who it might be, nor do I care. Maybe Clefairy.
Why post then :roll: and then double posting aswell... that's just stupid.
Well 1. Thank you for not quoting the whole post. I was actually answering somebody's question but okay. The other post I was countering somebody's attack against the 4th Gen of Pokemon with my post against the 3rd Gen. Thank you for making me look like the evil unholy spammer. Many years of good luck for you.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:06 am |
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Cherrygrove
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Id say the first would either be caterpie through beedrill or poliwag/poliwhirl ....
TIME: What were you like as a kid?
Tajiri: The place where I grew up [in Machida, a western Tokyo suburb] was still rural back then. There were rice paddies, rivers, forests. It was full of nature. Then development started taking place, and as it grew, all the insects were driven away. I was really interested in collecting insects. [Later, Tajiri's father tells me the other kids used to call Satoshi "Dr. Bug" as a child.] Every year they would cut down trees and the population of insects would decrease. The change was so dramatic. A fishing pond would become an arcade center.
TIME: You liked bugs?
Tajiri: They fascinated me. For one thing, they kind of moved funny. They were odd. Every time I found a new insect, it was mysterious to me. And the more I searched for insects, the more I found. If I put my hand in the river, I would get a crayfish. If there was a stick over a hole, it would create an air bubble and I'd find insects there. I usually took them home. As I gathered more and more, I'd learn about them, like how some would feed on one another. So I stopped bringing them home. But I liked coming up with new ideas. Like how to catch beetles. In Japan, a lot of kids like to go out and catch beetles by putting honey on a piece of tree bark. My idea was to put a stone under a tree, because they slept during the day and like sleeping under stones. So in the morning I'd go pick up the stone and find them. Tiny discoveries like that made me excited.
TIME: So you were collecting Pokémon a long time ago! Did you make the insects fight against each other?
Tajiri: No, but sometimes they would eat each other.
TIME: Did you get the idea for Pokémon from these insects?
Tajiri: Yes. Places to catch insects are rare because of urbanization. Kids play inside their homes now, and a lot had forgotten about catching insects. So had I. When I was making games, something clicked and I decided to make a game with that concept. Everything I did as a kid is kind of rolled into one--that's what Pokémon is. Playing video games, watching TV, Ultraman with his capsule monsters--they all became ingredients for the game.
TIME: Did you name all those beetles and spiders and bugs?
Tajiri: No. I had a cat, though. I wanted to name the frogs, because I watched them grow, but there were too many.
TIME: Are the Pokémon names related to those insects?
Tajiri: Yeah. Like Nyoromo [Poliwhirl in the U.S.]. It looks like a tadpole. There's little whirls on it because I remembered that when you pick up a tadpole, you can see its intestines because it's transparent.
Oh and pikachu being the main anime pokemon doesnt mean it was first...
TIME: Pikachu is sort of marginal in the game. But it's now the best-known character. How'd that happen?
Tajiri: When they did the anime, they wanted a specific character to focus on. Pikachu was relatively popular compared with the others and potentially both boys and girls would like it. They heard a lot of opinions about this. It wasn't my idea.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:59 am |
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-Night-
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pikachu was a big part of the original manga as well
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:29 am |
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Xiahou
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Pillage wrote: Sion9 wrote: Xiahou wrote: but what I strongly belive is Ho-oh
since Ho-oh is 2nd gen, I doubt it was the 1st created...why do you think it's Ho-oh?
He sees it in the 1st episode, that's probably why.
Yes and we didnt see a movie about it or episode. Except twice when ash saw it.
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Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:34 am |
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Mr. Jelly!
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what if was mistaken as ? it could be possible though...
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:15 am |
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Pillage
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Xiahou wrote: Pillage wrote: Sion9 wrote: Xiahou wrote: but what I strongly belive is Ho-oh
since Ho-oh is 2nd gen, I doubt it was the 1st created...why do you think it's Ho-oh?
He sees it in the 1st episode, that's probably why.
Yes and we didnt see a movie about it or episode. Except twice when ash saw it.
I was just making an excuse for him.
But yeah Ho-oH is still a HUGE mystery and THEY NEED a movie about him already.
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