I've looked to all the standard movesets and asked around and it seems that Espeon isn't a good pokemon. Can someone explain why this is? With a base Sp. Atk of 130 (And a maximum of 394) this could be a really great Special Sweeper, but all the movesets I've seen for this pokemon are 3/5 stars at most. Is this because Espeon is bad, or is it because the moveset is bad, or does it just pale in comparison to Umbreon by that much?

Edit: This is in General discussion because it pertains to FRLG, GSC, PD, and possibly RSE.

Actually,Espeon is Better than Umbreon because it's moves do WAY more damage!

More damage == better Pokemon >_>

Because it has a teeny movepool.

But mainly just because it's a horrible pokemon. It's ugly and just sucks in general. :O

Can you elaborate please? The only reason I'm even having this argument is because I think it looks good. If Umbreon looked better I'd use Umbreon without hesitation.

The other day you said to you use the pokemon that you like. Besides Espeon is way better than any pelliper. I myself happen to think Espeon is a great pokemon the second best eeveelution. The reason some people think it's a bad pokemon is just that they haven't use it because there using other psychics such as alakazam and(for the people that use ubers) Mewtwo.

I did say it. If you're a person that thinks epseons don't fail, go ahead, I don't care. I'm just saying why I don't (and yes, I do realize it wasn't a very logical reason; I made a funny! :O ).

I don't know about fourth generation, but in the third generation, it doesn't have very many good moves it can learn. It has enough Sp Atk to support itself, but not that many moves. Calm Mind, Psychic, and...what was it again?

true but it did make a good BP. Now it can learn Shadow ball and i think it can learn energy ball.

HEY! DON'T YOU DARE DISS MY FAVORITE GOLD SILVER CRYSTAL POKEMON! IT'S A VERY GOOD POKEMON, ESPECIALLY IN THE NEW PEARL DIAMOND GAMES!

Hmm Espeon sucks dont make me laugh moveset you say who needs more moves when Espeon has moves like Psychic Psywave Psybeam and can learn a handful of TM's Its Sp.Atk base is 130 which is off the charts it has good speed okay it doesnt have good defense but besides which Psychic pokemon does okay sp.def and below average ATK but Espeon doesnt need to answer your question no does not suck

Espeon is a strong pokemon, even though it doesn't get a good movepool.
Evee evolution status [greates to weakes]
>{espeon}>leafeon>{vaporeon}>{flareon}>glaceon>{umbreon}
Espeon comes in #2! [I know, I know, I love jolteon. ]

I wish Umbreon had higher attack and lower defense. I don't need a defensive pokemon; I'm gettin' a Dusknoir.

The reason he has high defense is because he is the Toxi-trapper of the fammily, witch makes him stronger than dusknoir. Yes, Toxi-trappers are incredibly strong.

some people think so some people dont thats all I can say.And its not UGLY its my favorite next to

Actually, Umbreon may be considered the most useful because it's a Toxi-trapper.

I know, I know. But jolteon rox! His incredible speed and special attack let him get rid of the enemy super fast. This is my opinion on jolteon:
I LOVE JOLTEON!!!!

I understand that, but I think Umbreon would be in Second or Third because of it's toxi-trapping abilities.

personally, I'd preffer Umbreon (obviously) not only is it a GREAT toxi-trapper, but its also got a good defense...and Espeon is very useful...you just need to give it the right attacks...combined, Espeon and Umbreon make a great team...but thats also coming from an eevee breeder...

I've actually decided to use Glaceon. Thanks for all the help, guys.

I like espeon wayyyyyyy more. Although ive only had my xp. with it on Poke'mon Collesum (srry for the spelling) I use it way more then umbreon because its fast, its moves do good damage, and its pretty. I like cats, so i like espeon.