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ChristianDEATH
Bug Catcher
Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:56 pm Posts: 2 Location: lansdale, PA
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First Pokemon
Salamence/ adamant nature/ intimidate/ holding draco plate
Attacks:
Dragon Rush
Fly
Eathquake
Flamethrower
Salamence i just had to choose cause its stats are amazing and it has lots of resisntances. Its Intimidate covers its defense stat since its the lowest stat of salamence (even thought its still above average).To bring out its high attack stat i added the adamant nature. Attacks like Dragon Rush and Fly pick up STAB while causing heavy damage. They also are phsical attacks which are good for salamence. Earthquake is a ground type so it covers up its weakness to rock types not to mention causes massive damage and is physical. I used flamethrower as the last attack to cover up its ice weakness. Salamnce is a well rounded pokemon that is capable of giving and taking damage.
Second Pokemon
Arcanine/ modest nature/ flash fire/ holding flame plate
Attacks:
Sunny Day
Solarbeam
Heat Wave
Overheat
Alright now arcanine is the speacial attacker of the bunch. With its modest nature his speacial attack is also boosted. Flash fire gives it and immunity to fire type attacks and also multiplies to power of its fire type attacks by 1.5 which is nice. Sunny Day is a very useful attack for Arcanine it raises the power of fire type moves and makes Solarbeam more practical. After using Sunny Day, Solarbeam will no longer need a charging period which is good for arcanine because with its high power it can destroy all of its weaknesses: Water Ground and Rock. Heat Wave and Overheat can cause unbelieveable amount of damage. With STAB, flash fire, and Sunny Day all in affect Heat Wave has a base power of 337.5 and Overheat 472.5 Enough said.
Third Pokemon
Shuckle/ impish nature/ sturdy/ holding leftovers
Attacks:
Bide
Rest
Power Trick
Eathquake
Every team needs a tank so I choose Shuckle. It has ridiculously high defense and special defense which is great for a pokemon that needs to take damage. Impish nature boosts its defense as well. The sturdy nature i added just in case some lunatic tries a fissure or horn drill on you. The leftovers (it restores HP each turn) adds a nice touch too to keep Shuckle in battle. Bide is a good move to have since Shuckle can take so much damage. Rest makes Shuckle a pain in the ass to battle because it can gain all its HP back haha. Power Trick is where it gets tricky ( no pun intended). It reverses attack and defence stats so its great defense now can be used as attack. After using Power Trick you can launch a massive earthquake which also destroys 2 of the 3 weaknesses Shuckle has.
Fourth Pokemon
Milotic/ timid nature/ marvel scale/ holding splash plate
Attacks:
Water Pulse
Surf
Ice Beam
Aqua Ring
Milotic is another strong special attacker and has even better speacial defence. I decided on timid nature because it doesnt really need any physical attacks so therefore I could move some of the attack stat to speed. Marvel scale is a great ability it boosts defense when your poisoned or paralized or whatnot. Water Pulse isnt nessarily a strong attack but it picks up STAB which helps it a little. It also can confuse the opponent which can be very helpful. Surf is a strong attack that also picks up STAB. Ice Beam is also a strong attack which covers both of Milotics weaknesses. Aqua Ring adds a nice touch to keep Milotic in battle by adding HP each turn.
Fifth Pokemon
Electivire/ gentle nature/ motor drive/ holding zap plate
Attacks:
Thunder Punch
Ice Punch
Fire Punch
Giga Impact
Electivire is a good pokemon to have cause it learns many elemaental attacks and also has a strong attack stat. the gentle nature boosts defense so it can help electivire deal with those damn Earthquakes. Thunder Punch picks up STAB and is a pretty strong attack to begin with. Ice punch is super effective against Electivire's only weakness. Fire Punch ummm i just added to match the Thunder and Ice punches haha but its good. Giga Impact is for the pokemon that are resistant to the element punches. Electivire's attack stat allows the punches to deal some heavy damage.
Sixth Pokemon
Gallade/ lax nature/ steadfast/ holding mind plate
Attacks:
Night Slash
Psycho Cut
Close Combat
Thunderbolt
Gallade is another strong attacker. The lax nature boosts defense so the flying weakness isnt as bad. Night slash is a great attack that covers the ghost type weakness it has a high critical hit ratio. Psycho cutter also is a strong attack it picks up STAB and has a high critical hit ratio. Close Combat is a super strong attack that picks up STAB as well. Thunderbolt is a mighty strong attack that can kill the bird pokemon that pose a threat to gallade. Gallades strong attacks can keep enemies at bay.
So thats the team give me feedback please thanks.
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:02 pm |
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InfernoBlaze
is very close to getting banned
Joined: Thu May 31, 2007 7:35 pm Posts: 48 Location: How should I know? >.<
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Positively SWEET!!!!!!!!! You should be an Elite 4 lol
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:35 pm |
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FaceLess
Ace Trainer
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:59 pm Posts: 399
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You need to replace the plates.
Also why is your Acanine a special sweeper? couldn't you have just used houndoom and do more damage? A lot of people Do use overheat on arcanine, but that's because his attack stat is higher than his spec stat and he could switch to physical moves.
Most of the ice types you should worry about are gonna be faster than salamance, so flamethrower probably won't work that great.
Power trick is hard to make work, but I guess it really is all about risk-reward.
Waterpulse And surf isn't the best idea. It really hampers diversity to have 2 water type attacks.
Also gentle nature Lowers defense. And even if it didn't earthquake would still ohko your electavire.
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:44 pm |
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Taser
Ace Trainer
Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:51 pm Posts: 256 Location: On the back of a stampeding Tauros squealing, "WHEEE!"
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Overall: plates = waste of time.
ChristianDEATH wrote: Shuckle/ impish nature/ sturdy/ holding leftovers
Attacks:
Bide
Rest
Power Trick
Eathquake
Power Trick on a pokemon as unbalanced as Shuckle is a DEATHWISH, an absolute deathwish. Shuckle is so slow that there is NO way you would be able to survive the next hit. Especially since your opponent will KNOW your vulnerability, since you'll be attacking at the end of the turn, and will just go "oh, I'll just Quick Attack and OHKO it next turn."
Bide doesn't work, either. Bide pays back double damage to the damage it received, but a defensive pokemon like Shuckle will hardly do any damage back.
You did pretty good with some of your natures (Adamant on Salamence, Impish on Shuckle) but the rest are just crap. Milotic is too slow to utilize a speed nature well, Electivire's defensive stats are for the gutter, as are Gallade's, and as FaceLess said, Arcanine is best off as a physical sweeper or at least a mixed sweeper (physical attacks + Overheat).
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:09 pm |
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Zero Cool
Pokemon Ranger
Joined: Tue May 22, 2007 1:17 am Posts: 563
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I have to say for a dream team you haven't really put a lot of thought into it, a whole team of blisseys is better than that. I have no real constructive comment to post seeing as how FaceLess and Taser have already broken it down but you need to toss the plates and fix arcanine and shuckle the most. I'm sorry but i'd go back to the drawing boards.
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:39 pm |
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SAIRAM
Ace Trainer
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:18 pm Posts: 302 Location: India
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Most of the natures rock. But the items and Movesets SUCK TO THE CORE. Post it in the Rating Centre to find out how to modify them as I cant rate them.
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Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:43 am |
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DarkPhantom02
Pokemon Ranger
Joined: Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:43 pm Posts: 522
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The number 1 rule for movesets is this :
NEVER NEVER EVER EVER HAVE TWO DAMAGING MOVES OF THE SAME TYPE ON ONE POKEMON.
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Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:51 am |
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eamonn
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Mon May 14, 2007 11:38 am Posts: 65 Location: San Oileán Iathghlas
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The second: Do not use Physical/Special moves on a Pokemon if its stats don't match.
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Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:56 am |
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OriGinaL
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Thu May 10, 2007 9:27 am Posts: 186
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Personally, I would never call this a dream team. Take in the suggestions from all these people then reconsider.
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Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:46 am |
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pelligargetic
Gym Leader
Joined: Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:16 pm Posts: 1012
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If this is your dream team, why do you need us to tell you if it's good or not? If it's your dream team, then it's obviously perfect in every way.
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Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:02 am |
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Kizeraa
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:38 pm Posts: 139 Location: so i herd u liek mudkipz?
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It's pretty bad. 2/5.
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Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:05 am |
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Xeeros
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:59 pm Posts: 125
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Not to sound rude, but your dream team can use some work. I'd give constructive criticism but most everything I can think of has been said already.
And for your Salamence, please don't use Fly. It gives your opponent one free turn to switch in a Pokemon that could resist Fly and then proceed to own your Salamence.
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Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:02 pm |
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RickPeri
Bug Catcher
Joined: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:35 pm Posts: 9 Location: Home under a box =P
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.... i gave it a 2 u really need to think threw this team
First Pokemon
Salamence
Attacks:
Dragon Rush
Fly
Eathquake
Flamethrower
"I would go with a jolly nature he would be much faster and why holding a plate .change flamethrower with fire fang it would do more dmg."
Second Pokemon
Arcanine
Um why have heat wave and overheat thats dee dee dee move change one for some other atk. and again with the dam plate .
Third Pokemon
Shuckle~
Yeah shuckle isnt ganna be fast enuff to use earthquake after power trick
and teach it toxic it would help out alot
Fourth Pokemon
Milotic
i would remove surf keep water pulse because i like to confuse my foe. teach it somthing like recover
Fifth Pokemon
Electivire
Giga impact isnt my fav move.
Sixth Pokemon
Gallade
not really a fan of gallade
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Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:19 pm |
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Taser
Ace Trainer
Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:51 pm Posts: 256 Location: On the back of a stampeding Tauros squealing, "WHEEE!"
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SAIRAM wrote: Most of the natures rock.
Quote: Arcanine/ modest nature
No.
Quote: Milotic/ timid nature
No.
Quote: Electivire/ gentle nature
NO!!!
Quote: Gallade/ lax nature
NO.
'Nuff said.
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Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:49 pm |
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Darkprophet
Bug Catcher
Joined: Sun May 20, 2007 11:57 pm Posts: 21 Location: MA
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Please visit the standard move sets thread to get a decent start.
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Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:54 pm |
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RickPeri
Bug Catcher
Joined: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:35 pm Posts: 9 Location: Home under a box =P
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InfernoBlaze wrote: Positively SWEET!!!!!!!!! You should be an Elite 4 lol
no he shouldnt that team has around 2 sec of thought
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Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:55 pm |
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Frost
THE POWER IS ON!
Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:29 am Posts: 1581 Location: Purple Ranger
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Amongst all the lolworthy responses you have gotten so far, I will give you one solid tip:
SHUCKLE IS NOT A GOOD TANK. EVEN THE LIKES OF WIGGLYTUFF CAN TAKE HITS BETTER THAN SHUCKLE CAN.
Seriously, it is the biggest newbie mistake in the world to pick Shuckle to be your tank. He has massive Defenses, yes, but his craptastic HP completely ruins it. A Pokemon's overall "damage index" is determined by multiplying its base HP by its base Defense or Special Defense (depending on which side of the spectrum you want to find out how well a Pokemon can take hits from). Because of Shuckle's low HP, his damage index is much lower than you'd think for a Pokemon hailed as the biggest wall in the game. Besides that, Seismic Toss rips Shuckle apart.
The closer together the HP and Defenses are, the better that Pokemon can take hits. If you'd like evidence for how this is determined, take a look at Blissey. Highest base HP in the game combined with lowest base Defense. But yet a Blissey with max Defense and a Bold nature can survive almost any non-CB'd physical attack in the game because her HP is so off the chart that it saves her Defense. Shuckle's base 230 Defenses are ruined by its base 20 HP. Take a look at this:
Defense:
Shuckle: 20 HP x 230 Defense = index of 4,600.
Wigglytuff: 140 HP x 45 Defense = index of 6,300.
Lopunny: 65 HP x 84 Defense = index of 5,460.
Dusclops: 40 HP x 130 Defense = index of 5,200.
Skarmory: 65 HP x 140 Defense = index of 9,100.
I know, you probably wouldn't think that Dusclops would be able to take hits better than Shuckle, since his Defenses are nearly halved and his still-bad HP is doubled, but the proof is posted right there.
Special Defense:
Shuckle: 20 HP x 230 Special Defense = index of 4,600.
Wigglytuff: 140 HP x 50 Special Defense = index of 7,000.
Lopunny: 65 HP x 96 Special Defense = index of 6,240.
Dusclops: 40 HP x 130 Special Defense = index of 5,200.
Blissey: 255 HP x 135 Special Defense = index of 34,425(!).
So, please, everybody, think before you make Shuckle your "tank."
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:49 am |
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Treeckomaster
Fails at life
Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:07 pm Posts: 1130 Location: The Forums official moronic epic fail.
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And you use earthquake as a physical move.
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:35 am |
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FaceLess
Ace Trainer
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:59 pm Posts: 399
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Frost wrote: Amongst all the lolworthy responses you have gotten so far, I will give you one solid tip:
SHUCKLE IS NOT A GOOD TANK. EVEN THE LIKES OF WIGGLYTUFF CAN TAKE HITS BETTER THAN SHUCKLE CAN.
Seriously, it is the biggest newbie mistake in the world to pick Shuckle to be your tank. He has massive Defenses, yes, but his craptastic HP completely ruins it. A Pokemon's overall "damage index" is determined by multiplying its base HP by its base Defense or Special Defense (depending on which side of the spectrum you want to find out how well a Pokemon can take hits from). Because of Shuckle's low HP, his damage index is much lower than you'd think for a Pokemon hailed as the biggest wall in the game. Besides that, Seismic Toss rips Shuckle apart.
The closer together the HP and Defenses are, the better that Pokemon can take hits. If you'd like evidence for how this is determined, take a look at Blissey. Highest base HP in the game combined with lowest base Defense. But yet a Blissey with max Defense and a Bold nature can survive almost any non-CB'd physical attack in the game because her HP is so off the chart that it saves her Defense. Shuckle's base 230 Defenses are ruined by its base 20 HP. Take a look at this:
Defense:
Shuckle: 20 HP x 230 Defense = index of 4,600.
Wigglytuff: 140 HP x 45 Defense = index of 6,300.
Lopunny: 65 HP x 84 Defense = index of 5,460.
Dusclops: 40 HP x 130 Defense = index of 5,200.
Skarmory: 65 HP x 140 Defense = index of 9,100.
I know, you probably wouldn't think that Dusclops would be able to take hits better than Shuckle, since his Defenses are nearly halved and his still-bad HP is doubled, but the proof is posted right there.
Special Defense:
Shuckle: 20 HP x 230 Special Defense = index of 4,600.
Wigglytuff: 140 HP x 50 Special Defense = index of 7,000.
Lopunny: 65 HP x 96 Special Defense = index of 6,240.
Dusclops: 40 HP x 130 Special Defense = index of 5,200.
Blissey: 255 HP x 135 Special Defense = index of 34,425(!).
So, please, everybody, think before you make Shuckle your "tank."
You are right for the most part, however that analysis is completely flawed.
I mean multiplying base hp by base def wouldn't give you a good relative idea of a pokemon's ability to take damage. Hp, and def get different values relative to the base stat. They also function in totally different ways.
For instance, Dusknoir actually does take more damage relative to max health than a shuckle in my experience. This stems from the fact that, though his base hp is more than double, it only adds 50 hps. And the way defense works Shuckle generally takes enough damage less that it has a higher % of hps left than Dusknoir.
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:15 pm |
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Da best
Pokemon Trainer
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:50 am Posts: 40 Location: N da Land trainin
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dey R a gud team I'll jst make a change N dats dat shuckle
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Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:24 am |
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baseball8gaia
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:18 pm Posts: 85 Location: Yes, I have a location
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i say its a awesome team but it still needs a little work other wise im giving u a 4 its a pretty awesome team
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Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:41 am |
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conewicci
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:39 pm Posts: 83 Location: United States, California, Los Angeles
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the shuckle is the only big problem. you should change him for a starter pokemon or legendary.
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Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:32 pm |
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