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snowball
Pokemon Trainer
Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:03 am Posts: 33 Location: canada
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hi, I was wondering which one of these 3 you guys use. Which one is better?
which one worked the most for you guys?
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:40 am |
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Kirbyatic
Pokemon Trainer
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 5:45 pm Posts: 36 Location: im still ntot quite sure
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they kinda are only simaler by the fact that they only work during a switch, past that there isnt anything the same about them
Stealth Rock: damages according to type effectiveness
Toxic Spikes: poisions
Spikes: damages according to percentages
(ex using Spikes 3 times will take out 1/4 you opponents hp)
so basicly it depends on what your looking for, however toxic spikes and spikes don't work on flying types, not quite sure on stealth rock however.
I currently don't use them but i would go with either Spikes or Stealth Rock.
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:58 am |
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Death76
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:03 am Posts: 94
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i use steal rock because it can do more damage to types that are weak against rock
But the worse would be toxic spikes in my opinion because it psn the opponet and that takes away from prz, slp frz
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:38 am |
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The Fluffy Weavile
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:51 pm Posts: 57 Location: Training with my Weavile
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Well, they all have their pros and cons. For example, Spikes doesn't hit Levitators/Flying-Types, Posion Spikes doesn't hit Poison Types and Steel Types, and Stealth Rock only nicks types Rock is not very effective against.
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:15 am |
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Kizeraa
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:38 pm Posts: 139 Location: so i herd u liek mudkipz?
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I'm going with Stealth Rock. Since it's a TM, loads of Pokemon can learn it. It also works well against Ninjask and Charizard.
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:51 pm |
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Mtg Xerxes
Bug Catcher
Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:56 am Posts: 15 Location: Ann Arbor
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Stealth rock is great. 12.5% damage when rock type is neutral, 25% if rock is super effective, 50% on double weak (Charizard, Ho-oh) It's a nice boost to damage. It also ruins Focus Sash users.
Spikes is great as well. Doesn't hit flyers/levitaters...but it is a nice boost. Works best in combo with Stealth rock. Ruins focus sash users.
Toxic spikes, not as great. One layer is poison, two layers is toxic. But then you can't sleep, paralyze, whatever....you need. Also, if they run a Heracross, his Guts ability activates and he sweeps you. Not fun.
If a poison type switches in on Toxic Spikes (Gengar, or others) then they dissapear as well.
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:23 pm |
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FaceLess
Ace Trainer
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:59 pm Posts: 399
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Mtg Xerxes wrote: Stealth rock is great. 12.5% damage when rock type is neutral, 25% if rock is super effective, 50% on double weak (Charizard, Ho-oh) It's a nice boost to damage. It also ruins Focus Sash users.
Spikes is great as well. Doesn't hit flyers/levitaters...but it is a nice boost. Works best in combo with Stealth rock. Ruins focus sash users.
Toxic spikes, not as great. One layer is poison, two layers is toxic. But then you can't sleep, paralyze, whatever....you need. Also, if they run a Heracross, his Guts ability activates and he sweeps you. Not fun.
If a poison type switches in on Toxic Spikes (Gengar, or others) then they dissapear as well. To be fair, doesn't it say poison type that doesn't fly or have levitate?
So Really they'd have to switch in a Drapion.
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:12 pm |
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scotchtape622
Bug Catcher
Joined: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:16 pm Posts: 10
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I use Stealth Rock, so I can use Empolean. It just hurts though, when it is not very effective.
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:15 pm |
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Razor74a
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:24 pm Posts: 163 Location: Under a bridge playing chess with an enchanted pony
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Stealth rock!
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:16 pm |
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charizard trainer
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Thu May 03, 2007 7:40 pm Posts: 99 Location: Training with my Charizard.
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Cant you have all three active at the same time?
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:42 pm |
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MissingNo_Is_My_Friend
Ace Trainer
Joined: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:17 am Posts: 360 Location: Somewhere between Life and Afterlife
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charizard trainer wrote: Cant you have all three active at the same time?
You can use Stealth Rock with Spikes at the same time. Not sure about Toxic Spikes...
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Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:30 am |
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Glubisito
Pokemon Trainer
Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:29 pm Posts: 35 Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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I think that slealth rock is the best because, it made not do a lot of damage to the steels and ground types but it could ruin their focus sash, if their holding one. It also hits every type, and spikes,and toxic spikes don't
hit flying types and levitators. Remeber the focus sash would be gone. SLEALTH ROCK!!!!!!!!
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Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:22 am |
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helio
Pokemon Trainer
Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:06 pm Posts: 31 Location: california
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MissingNo_Is_My_Friend wrote: charizard trainer wrote: Cant you have all three active at the same time?
You can use Stealth Rock with Spikes at the same time. Not sure about Toxic Spikes... yea because the other two don't cause a status problem like toxic spikes
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Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:19 pm |
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splinter
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:27 pm Posts: 97
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You could train a Fortress, since he is the only pokemon who can learn all three!
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Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:07 pm |
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thekiller0703
Pokemon Ranger
Joined: Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:19 pm Posts: 693 Location: On the left side of the street... Take THAT Society!
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Not true; Omastar can also learn all three.
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Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:18 am |
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dunsparce
Pokemon Master
Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:24 am Posts: 1152 Location: IN THE EMOTIONLESS TRAWLING FERVOR'S OF MY INSANE MIND.
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TOXIC SPIKES ROCKS! I don't use SR.
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Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:00 pm |
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splinter
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:27 pm Posts: 97
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I just checked, theres a glitch in the Psydex. When i searched all 3 of those moves, only Forrtress came up, but when i checked Omastar's moveset, he as well could learn all three.
The difference is with Forrtress, he learns both Spikes and Toxic Spikes through level up, and with Omastar, he has to learn both of those through breeding.
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Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:01 pm |
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dunsparce
Pokemon Master
Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:24 am Posts: 1152 Location: IN THE EMOTIONLESS TRAWLING FERVOR'S OF MY INSANE MIND.
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splinter wrote: The difference is with Forrtress, he learns both Spikes and Toxic Spikes through level up, and with Omastar, he has to learn both of those through breeding.
I personally use {forrtress} for the type advantage (1 weakness!) but is easier to get for some people because you don't need to trad/insert.
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Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:06 pm |
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splinter
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:27 pm Posts: 97
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splinter wrote: I personally use {forrtress} for the type advantage (1 weakness!)
Does your forrtress have all 3 of these moves?
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Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:10 pm |
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thekiller0703
Pokemon Ranger
Joined: Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:19 pm Posts: 693 Location: On the left side of the street... Take THAT Society!
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It's no glitch; can't learn all 3 at one time, but he can learn either spikes or toxic spikes depending on who you breed it with.
But you have the choice of which one to choose. Sorry if there was any confusion...
And BTW, fire and special moves rip through forretress.
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Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:14 pm |
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dunsparce
Pokemon Master
Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:24 am Posts: 1152 Location: IN THE EMOTIONLESS TRAWLING FERVOR'S OF MY INSANE MIND.
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splinter wrote: splinter wrote: I personally use {forrtress} for the type advantage (1 weakness!)
Does your forrtress have all 3 of these moves?
I didn't teach it sleath rock on choice, I could if I wanted to but the other two moves are taken ( I wrote that, not you).
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Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:15 pm |
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Bumi
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:25 pm Posts: 77
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Forrtress is good, but its not durable enough to pull it off. If you dont mind using skarm-bliss; they can work. Skarmory will manage to pull several layers of spikes against physical sweepers; and blissey is totally going to place stealth rock against special ones.
You also want to use Gengar/Dusknoir to block spinner.
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Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:33 pm |
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ShadowTyranitar
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Sun May 06, 2007 5:12 pm Posts: 214 Location: Realgam Tower
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Bumi wrote: Forrtress is good, but its not durable enough to pull it off. If you dont mind using skarm-bliss; they can work. Skarmory will manage to pull several layers of spikes against physical sweepers; and blissey is totally going to place stealth rock against special ones.
You also want to use Gengar/Dusknoir to block spinner. Uh, Forretress's defense is as good as Skarmory's.
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Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:46 pm |
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splinter
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:27 pm Posts: 97
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Yes, but Forrtress has a 4x weakness against fire.
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Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:53 pm |
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Bumi
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:25 pm Posts: 77
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And it doesn't has as many resistances as skarmory; it can't switch into EQ either, and it lacks Roar/whirlwind to use spikes properly.
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Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:31 pm |
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