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 Froslass or Gangar? 

Which is better?
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Which one do you this is better and why?

If you just looked at Stats then you will notice something, Forslass makes a worse Special Sweeper then Gengar.

In my opinion what makes Froslass better then Gengar is it's Snow Cloak ability and the Fact that once hail is in effect you 100 Acc with Blizzard, So this is what Blizzard turns into 100 Acc 180 Pwr without any recoil or charge, the only thing that Froslass gets is the boosted Evasion from Hail. If you add a Confuse Ray with Hail in effect the chances of Froslass being hit have just gone way DOWN, add Bright Powder to the mix Froslass has just reached God Status Evasion
Example:
*Froslass has used Hail and Confuse Ray*
Umbreon misses with Toxic 4 times :shock:
Froslass KOs in 2 Blizzards
*Same Battle Hail is still in Effect Opponent sends Electivire*
-Froslass uses Confuse Ray-
Electivire Hits itself twice
and Froslass takes down with a Blizzard :D
Im sorry but you just can't do something like that with Gengar it does have the 130 Base Sp Atk and Speed but unless you get ALL OHKOs Gengar won't last 2-3 rounds if it's the last alive
Froslass = :frustrated: To Opponent :twisted:

In regards to the weaknesses Frosslass's biggest problem is the addition the Fire and Rock as weaknesses, but the fact that it is not weak against Physic should also be noted, it also becomes weak against Steel, but not to many popular Steel attacks out there so it is easy to spot
**Note: PP ups on Blizzard
You might be able to tell im a little biased towered Froslass

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I agree, Froslass is way better than Gengar. But it depends on what you're using it for. Example: Special Sweeper Shuckle. Nice enough idea, but really not going to happen.

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:) Just did a 3 on 3 and the final 2 pokemon were Froslass Vs Gengar and Froslass won :D

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Gengar has good speed and Sp Atk, probably both high enough to beat Froslass 1v1. I'd choose Gengar.


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I know, I would normaly too but as I was the one losing to the frossglass with the gengar :( I'm pretty undecided, maybe if I trained more torward the speed EV's.........I haven't trained it much either so maybe there's hope for it yet :).
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my Froslass is timid with maxed out speed, so unless the Gengar is the same i would win

{froslass} > {gengar}


Anyone know what happens when 2 pokemon have the same speed?
Does the lighter one attack first?

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I'm pretty sure that it is random who attacks first if the speed is the same.

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Well there is always Ivs to decide to but it would make more sense for the lighter pokemon i attack first

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Which one do you this is better and why?

If you just looked at Stats then you will notice something, Forslass makes a worse Special Sweeper then Gengar.

In my opinion what makes Froslass better then Gengar is it's Snow Cloak ability and the Fact that once hail is in effect you 100 Acc with Blizzard, So this is what Blizzard turns into 100 Acc 180 Pwr without any recoil or charge, the only thing that Froslass gets is the boosted Evasion from Hail. If you add a Confuse Ray with Hail in effect the chances of Froslass being hit have just gone way DOWN, add Bright Powder to the mix Froslass has just reached God Status Evasion
Example:
*Froslass has used Hail and Confuse Ray*
Umbreon misses with Toxic 4 times :shock:
Froslass KOs in 2 Blizzards
*Same Battle Hail is still in Effect Opponent sends Electivire*
-Froslass uses Confuse Ray-
Electivire Hits itself twice
and Froslass takes down with a Blizzard :D
Im sorry but you just can't do something like that with Gengar it does have the 130 Base Sp Atk and Speed but unless you get ALL OHKOs Gengar won't last 2-3 rounds if it's the last alive
Froslass = :frustrated: To Opponent :twisted:

In regards to the weaknesses Frosslass's biggest problem is the addition the Fire and Rock as weaknesses, but the fact that it is not weak against Physic should also be noted, it also becomes weak against Steel, but not to many popular Steel attacks out there so it is easy to spot
**Note: PP ups on Blizzard
You might be able to tell im a little biased towered Froslass

yeah, that was me :cry:
only hit him 1 time in a 3v3 battle... but if you can get froslass on the same turn as it uses hail or before it uses hail then it's screwed (or almost screwed)

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OK, *sigh*, I voted for frossglass, it does have some advatages that make it bettter than gengar, against a fire pokemon however, gengar would do better than frossglass, (with the :objection: of charizard and moltres).

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Gengar is way better than Froslass. Using Snow Cloak and Confuse Ray is nothing more than being a luckwhore, and competitive battlers will frown on that strategy every time. Gengar has an extra immunity due to his ability (Levitate) and far fewer weaknesses than Froslass does because of her Ice type, making it much easier to switch Gengar into battle.

And honestly, complaining about Gengar's defensives stats is really kind of contradictory because Froslass can't exactly take any hits herself. 60/60/75 (Gengar) and 70/70/70 (Froslass) are almost completely even. But more importantly, Gengar's movepool and Special Attack are WAY better than Froslass', making him clearly the superior choice.

I think Froslass is cool, and she's way better than Glalie due to her second type and better stat distribution/movepool, but she's no Gengar. Gengar is one of the most fearsome Pokemon in DP, and Froslass is perhaps UU-worthy at best. Taking her into OU will see her get raped by Stealth Rock, Stone Edge, Crunch, etc.


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I have to perfectly agree with Frost. Even though Froslass is good at avoiding and striking like Death76 said, that requires an awful lot of luck. Plus, Hail only lasts for 5 turns, unless you pack Abomasnow or something, but that wouldn't be a good idea either (4x weakness to Fire). I'd say that Froslass is just a variation on Blissey, a Pokemon that likes to annoy you to death with Double Team and Leftovers, etc. (which is why my Typhlosion packs Swift and my Sceptile packs Toxic in the BF...for taking care of those pink blobs...). Gengar has incredible Speed and SpAtk, and due to the Physical/Special split, he can make even more use of his Shadow Ball attack. So imo, Gengar > Froslass. Even though they're both good, I'd pick Gengar over Froslass any day. (Plus, he looks evil, so it's sweeet.)

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Going to second what's been said about the Froslass + Hail strategy. Froslass is a personal favorite of mine, but it's much less practical for serious battle than Gengar. I've experimented with it, just to see how helpful Hail really is, and point is, it worked in my favor in two of four battles (not enough). I would only try that strategy on something that didn't DEPEND on the raised accuracy.

Evasion is very handy on a low-defense poke when you're trying to set up Spikes ;D But it's not reliable enough.

In summary: Death76, you got very, very, VERY lucky on that one. O_o


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I have only had my Froslass fail once in a battle with Hail in effect, and it still had not gave me to total failure with Hail and Confuse Ray in effect. When ever i send out Froslass it takes out at least one.
**Omit time with Giratina, Shadown Force...Possibly the worst attack ever**
About 10 battles suing Froslass so far

As Far as sending it out at anytime, that is just a bad idea, It's base speed is 110 so if i can help it i won't send it out against something i know is faster thats just dumb...

@ Frost
The Hail and Confuse Ray is not really "Luck" I know i have a 50/50 chance of their attack hitting, so in the next 3 turns the chances of them all 3 hitting/missing me are slim, i would say it would go 2 out of 3 either way and with Hail and Bright Powder I would With Bright Powder im at least at 2 evasion Stages up. So 50/50 chance of not hitting with just Confuse Ray, and about 2 stages of evasion, If i planed that out then how could i be dependant on luck alone?

If im frowned upon for thinking it through and having it work, im sorry they'll just have to shove it

Gengar's levitate is a plus, there is no point is trying to counter that (Toxic Spikes :cry: )

As far as Move Pool, i don't really care too much, about it because i don't like having pokemon that have more then 3 moves that do damage 1-2 being STAB
--Examining Gengar's move pool--
Gengar can learn 78 Moves :shock: 32 are discarded because they are Phsyical attacks, 3 more because they are Hypnosis related... Also can take away all of the moves that are just not suited for Gengar (Snore, attract, Embargo, Psyc up, Sunny Day Etc..) What has happened to it's move pool...Where has it gone
with all the moves the choose from this is the final product (Most of the time)
-Shadown Ball
-Sludge Bomb
-T Bolt
-Ice Beam
-Phsyic
-Confuse Ray
I would have to say that from the 78 moves it's common for people to choose from 6....WOW

As Far is the addition of weakness the only one i really have to think about is the Fire, yes Rock and Steel attacks are out there but When people see Ice they think Fire, unless they look up Froslass Steel attacks are few and far between, and a Rock attack would not result in an OHKO on Froslass because the Chances of it being STAB are also low, and if i see one coming it's not hard to switch out to a poke with good Def or is resistant 36

As far as being in UU or OU i can't really say i care that much because i think the rating system is kinda bad (Mostly the Uber lvl) also I have had Stealth Rock used against me and it did not do enough to drastically effect me :shock:

Gengar does have better stats but, Froslass is still my pokemon of choice, it has not given me any reason to prefer Gengar

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With first hand experience, I can tell you all right now... FROSLASS IS A PAIN!... Basically you have to depend upon ur luck and hope you hit :?

So, if i had to chose, I would say Froslass is better then gengar.

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Froslass is a good pokemon but instead of Blizzard which does only 120
damage why dont you use a (STAB) Ice Beam which approximately does 142.5 damage. Again its only my opinion. Froslass owns in evasion!

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Infernape101 wrote:
Froslass is a good pokemon but instead of Blizzard which does only 120
damage why dont you use a (STAB) Ice Beam which approximately does 142.5 damage. Again its only my opinion. Froslass owns in evasion!

sorry to point out the obvious... blizzard has STAB too
and, uh, 180>142.5
hail also makes blizzard 100%, so, why not?

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Really? Well then thanks for pointing it out. So Blizzard makes a better choice.

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:) Froslass Evasion is good just have to make sure you send it out at the right time

As Far as Blizzard vs Ice Beam goes:
Ice beam would be the better attacks, but i always set up Hail when i send out Froslass, and i try to avoid switching Froslass in, would be best to wait till a pokemon to Koed to send out. Learned that lesson today when i has doing practice battles with my friend King Micky also learned that Forslass hit limite is 2..Means it can't take more then 2 direct attacks, but it's the same with Gengar so they and even in that department

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Basically, Froslass is good at annoying people--not even being a typical "annoyer" to say, but Hail + Confuse Ray is an example. The problem is, Death76, you got lucky with Hail. I would think Snow Cloak / Sand Veil abilities raise evasiveness by one stage, the equivalent to one Double Team. Do you ever see someone use one Double Team and then stop? Not in any case I can recall, and if they did choose to do that, it's kind of pointless because they get hit anyway. :roll:

Gengar's special attack stat is astronomically better, while AT THE SAME TIME having the same max. speed as Froslass. Gengar's sweeping capabilities blow Froslass out of the water, because it actually has a fighting chance at something powerful; properly train a Gengar and give it a Choice Item (I would go Modest and Choice Scarf, for example) and Gengar would destroy Froslass with one Shadow Ball, Hail or no Hail.


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Taser wrote:

Gengar's special attack stat is astronomically better, while AT THE SAME TIME having the same max. speed as Froslass. Gengar's sweeping capabilities blow Froslass out of the water, because it actually has a fighting chance at something powerful; properly train a Gengar and give it a Choice Item (I would go Modest and Choice Scarf, for example) and Gengar would destroy Froslass with one Shadow Ball, Hail or no Hail.


Yeah Gengar does have the way better SP Atk but saying that Gengar would take out Froslass with a Shadown Ball is kinda pointless to me, because a modest Froslass with Choice Scarf could do the same thing to a Gengar, if it went first...
**Gengar vs. Froslass is a kinda pointless topic**
As far as Taking on teams a Shadown Ball from Froslass would not do the job to OHKO anything unless ghost is it's weakness, thats just fact. But Blizzard does the job just fine, but yeah i lose a turn having to set up hail, but i get the same Sweeping ability as Gengar for the next 4 rounds, with a better chance of not being hit
I would say Snow Cloak is about 2 stages though not 1 but im not too sure, i might be able to find

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I have to agree having Gengar face Froslass seems pointless.

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Gengar would destroy Froslass with one Shadow Ball, Hail or no Hail.


That was really the only significant part of that paragraph, that summed it up. A move that has 100 accuracy will still, more than likely, go through Hail. That's really all I was saying, sorry for not being clear.


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Shadown from anything with good Sp atk can take out Froslass, im not sure about Gengar though

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Gengar would win (DEATH47). Gengar won't be affected by normal type moves & unless your FROSSLASS knows crunch Then case closed & Ice type moves aren't very affective.Frosslass's weakness is Psypcich.Gengar learns psypich. Case closed.

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