Electivire's never given me any serious trouble. I guess because I sorta have a counter to him, but eh. I've never lost a poke to an electivire that I can recall.

Tar is just weak to almost every pokemon, don't like em at all.

I'd have to look at some numbers, but I'm pretty sure Weavile can knock out everything else on that list.

i don't know if weavile can knock out blazekin or infernape i've seen it do some damage to a Ttar through.

Well your weavile can FaceLess, most people dont have a setup as good as yours though. And I think my electivire has taken a few of your guys.

Taking the time to say that CBJask >>> Weavile/Hera/Azelf/Gar lead. Even Tar is lol when it takes at least 68% (with max HP) from U-Turn and then has to face a Starmie.

Thanks, an that's true, but I have to say in all the battles I've been in Electivire has never put me in an 'oh crap' situation.

I really like that choice band Jask idea though, as long as you've got a good team to back it up. I think I may steal it, but it isn't actually a physical sweeper.

including me, I have to say electrivire beccause it can OWN any of the other options, cross chop on Ttar and weavle, thunderpunch on gyrados and EQ on infernape.

Valid point.

Well infernape is actually better when you take them head to head. Unless Electivire has Motor Drive going or Infernape is being switched, Infernape is faster and can OHKO Elec with EQ. <- Been there done that...

The thing I hate most about electivire is that it's standard move set is Really easy to beat by a good prediction.

I mean, predict Thunder Punch send out Rhyperior, Predict Crosschop, send out Dusknoir, Predict earthquake, send out aerodactyl.

And so on.

Was bout ice punch? take out 2/3 of those.

Yes, I hate using standard movesets, but for pokes like that the standard moveset is what exploits their power. Its pokemon like Togekiss and Alakazam that are more tricky, its hard to know what they have and either one of those that has a moveset that flows well with the team could easily do as good as Electivire. Though I did just use Spc Sweepers as examples I have the feeling you get my point.

Rhyperior can eat an earthquake, he's not worried about ice punch. Aerodactyl (assuming you guessed right) Can very potentially ohko an electivire and depending on electivires held item he can also survive a non stabbed ice punch. Sounds crazy, but my Aerodactyl has survived many ice beams over the years.

In Battle Tower, my Tyranitar survived alot of torture. It can take some hits.

Um yes Ttar is sort of study to a point but almost any fighting move could OHKO it i.e brick break from weavile,Focus Blast alakazam,Cross crop Machamp,Aura Sphere Lucario,i have seen Ttar survive water attacks though. and also i would like to thank everyone for showing intrest in this topic.

T-tar is my fav but one close combat or focus blast !!!!! The end
So i pick Electvire

personally. i think a gallade and a pinsir should be candidates

pinser, adament @ ???

brick break
swords dance
x-scissor
stone edge

gallade, adament @ expert belt

brick break
swords dance/bulk up
night slash
physco cut


nothing resists gallade.