Here are two stallers and I was wondering which one you guys think would be better?

Registeel @ Leftovers
Calm 252 Def, 252 Sp Def, 6 Hp
~Amnesia
~Iron Defense
~Rest
~Toxic

Shuckle @ Leftovers
Relaxed/Sassy 252 Def, 252 Sp Def, 6 Hp
~Toxic
~Wrap
~Rest
~Sandstorm

Shuckles Hp sucks its not good in competiton they are easy to beat.
Clearly Registeel is waaaay better than Shuckle. Shuckle might have good
defenses but 2 surfs from any STAB water type owns it.

Ok. Shuckle most definately does not suck. Have you checked his stats? 230 in each defense. He can sit there and laugh at your STABed Surf. Surf is not that strong. He can Toxic/Sandstorm/Rest/Protect anytime anywhere. Oh right. I probably should change Wrap to Protect....

Wow you are a rookie at this and simply Shuckle is good otherwise Id
have a better staller like Umbreon which is very annoying.

Ok let's start the battle.

Turn 1: Surf, Toxic. Shuckle has about 2/3 health.
Turn 2: Protect.
Turn 3: Surf. Sandstorm. Shuckle has a little more than 1/3 health.
Turn 4: Protect.
Turn 5: Surf. Shuckle has Red Health. Rest.
Turn 6: Surf to 2/3.
Turn 7: Surf to 1/3.
And Now you are dead/near dead to Toxic. Shuckle can survive and re-Rest and own you.

You know what go with what you prefer the most and can we please stop
debating on each others topic its getting on my nerves.

Why should we stop? Debating is good, it helps to discover things. I am trying to cmoe up with any possible reason to question your opinion becuase you did not state a real fact of why Registeel is better, just said Shuckle gets owned by STABed Surf. Oh and Registeel does not get owned by STABed Flamethrower?

If you want to debate about it then Pm me because its called spamming.

What is spamming?
Spamming is making pointless, useless topics. They don't add to discussion, they aren't necessary, they are just there to take up space. It is NOT a good thing.

My posts are not Spam. SPAM is Stupid Pointless Annoying Messages. I am posting intelligent thoughtout replies, whether they are your opinions are not. Debating=good. Debating is not Spamming.

This analysis is a bit flawed, since unless you put all your evs into special defense and hp, 1 stabed surf does well over half of a shuckles health

He can survive at least 2 hits to most Pokemon though. Perhaps it is flawed in assuming three though. With Leftovers, he can certainly survive 2 hits.

A modest milotic with max special attack (which I've encountered multiple times) is not the strongest water type, but still inflicts over 100 points of damage to a Shuckle with surf, assuming the shuckle has max special defense and a nature that supports special defense. in such a case he then runs risk of the over used Metagross.

edit:Also the popular Aerodactyl, Swampert, and probably even ryhperior are threats. If togekiss inflicts a flinch that'll end Shuckle too. Oh and Especially Tyraniboah.

The thing is Registeel has the same issues. I can not find anything to give Registeel a spot over Shuckle.

The difference is that registeel can build up the appropriate defensive stat, leaving him generally just semi weak to hazers and pokemon that can combat toxic.

After one defensive stat raising move registeel's defense passes right by shuckle's with a good 100 additional hitpoints.

Registeel

Better HP, movepool, etc.

Hmm that is a strong point. Registeel is up one point right now.

shuckle vs. steel type?
shuckle can't poison it and the steel is STAB SE... who would win that?

And besides, the shuckle I HAD on my team was like this:

Shuckle
252 HP, 128 Def, 128 sp. def
Toxic
Wrap (trap, does same damage as sandstorm to all types)
Rest
Sandstorm

But he was screwed against any metagross, empoleon or skarmory... so I got rid of him

I'm not saying which one would win if they fought. Just which one would be more effective once I start Wifi battling.

Shuckle is slow, you made that based on shucle getting First attack which is a noob mistake. Shuckle is no good at all. Umbreons make a far far better staller than any other pokemon.

I will not even address the Regi seeing as I will not use or help anyone use any legendaries.

Either way Umbreon is far better than either of the pokes you have listed here.

Niether am I, I'm just saying that shuckle vs. any steel type would obviously end up with shuckle being the loser, forcing a switchout that the opponent could gain the upper hand on.
Not to mention if shuckle's your last guy, your screwed

That was Spam, as is my post I just wanted to identify the idioticness in that post. I mean seriously how did that ^ have anything to do with this post...

A moveset to make my post less spammy

@ Leftovers
Bold | Synchronize

~ Confuse Ray
~ Toxic
~ Wish
~ Protect

^ No attacks but it makes for one heck of a good staller / ToxicAnnoyer

Registeel is definatly better that Shuckle, and so are Umbreon, Dusknoir, Bastiodon, Probopass, Tangrowth, and Aggron, who are all, in my opinion, better than Registeel. Even though Shuckle has a substancial amount of defence, with its hp, its defences are worth that of an Alakazam. I know this from experience, because I used one in the JAA tournement last year, and I did fine, until I lost because I thought that it would be more effective against my opponant than my Sandslash.

Also, you don't have to debate everything, because eventually, the debating will be pushed so far that it will lead to things like flaming, which is typically avoided here. You can express your opinion, sure, but you don't need to try to change the opinions of those that don't agree with you, because it does get really stupid, it does get really pointless, and it does get really, really annoying.

registeel clearly is the most sensible choice opposed to lol shuckle :roll: shuckle has defences but it will be killed by stabed attack and surf is quite strong 95 power and stabbed will hurt shuckle but as claSsick stated umbreon is a much more effective staller than the two you mentioned. so they both suck to me also down with the legendaries!!

Aggron better than Registeel? Aggron is so horrid. It has bad typing and it is too slow to be a good sweeper and not defensive enough to stall anything.

Yes it has the weakness to fighting, but to say that it is not defensive enough to stall anything?

Umbreon
HP: 95
Attack: 65
Defence: 110
Sp. Attack: 60
Sp. Defence: 130
Speed: 65

Registeel
HP: 80
Attack: 75
Defence: 150
Sp. Attack: 75
Sp. Defence: 150
Speed: 50

Aggron:
HP: 70
Attack: 110
Defence: 180
Sp. Attack: 60
Sp. Defence: 60
Speed: 50

Shuckle
HP: 20
Attack: 10
Defence: 230
Sp. Attack: 10
Sp. Defence: 230
Speed: 5

Of coarse Umbreon is the best choice mentioned, but to say that Aggron can't stall anything? Of the six best defencive pokemon, it has the best third best Hp, the best attack, the fourth best defence, and the second best speed.

The top six are in order:
Shuckle
Regirock
Steelix
Aggron
Cloyster
Bastiodon