Who's better? I feel Dragonite is since his bigger move pool and the fact that he can actually learn moves that are 4x super effective against Salamence (Ice) and other dragons. He is superior IMO He just learns so many moves.

What do you think?

Salamence has better SpA and Spd, while Dragonite has better defenses. Holding a [insert ice berry here], Dragonite can take an Ice attack that only does 2x.

Just because Dragonite can learn an Ice move and OHKO Salamence doesn't make it better. Nor does it guarantee a win in a battle. If Salamence has Focus Sash, it will survive 2 turns and 2HKO Dragonite. Salamence *might* be able to 1HKO Dragonite with Rock Slide if it's CBed.

I personally prefer Salamence, but Dragonite is a good pokemon also...but the 2 are used differently.

I personally prefer dragonite because he can learn all the moves that are super effective against a lot of pokemon

he can learn a veriety

I don't wish too but I must admit that Salamance is better, much better stats and ability. I like dragonite more though.

i have to agree with Sion. I always choose speed over defence with dragon types for double battles. in single battles, Dragonite comes first.

Well the way I see it is that Salamence learns a very small variety of moves. Dark (Crunch) Fire and Dragon which will not help against many types of pokemon. And the best Dragon move he learns is Dragon Claw which is not all that great. You can't even breed Outrage into him which is the best Dragon move IMO Sure he has better attack but how far is that going to take you when he can get laid out in 2 turns?

zen headbutt, fire/thunder fang, aerial ace, steel wind.
What are you talking about?

Dragon claw is good enough and you can always breed d'rush on it.

My vote goes to Dragonite.

Hmm.....

I really don't like either one. Seriously, I wanna know why there are no 3rd-stage dragon-types that aren't 4X weak to Ice? If there ever were, I'd probably use it over any other.

I guess I'd go with Dragonite, but only because I prefer the first generation of Pokemon.

what about kingdra? it has no weakness to ice at all.

anyway, i like salamence way better. it actually does have a very varied movepool as dunsparce pointed out, to the point that i would love to give it about 12 moves. no-one has mentioned this yet, but for me the clincher is probably salamence's intimidate ability which is so useful, and far better than inner focus. that and its superior speed and attack which is afterall what you want in a physical sweeper. an adamant choice banded salamence can have an attack of over 600. a dragon claw from that is not to be taken lightly.

Oh yeah... Kingdra. Oops. Maybe I forgot because it doesn't evolve by level. I dunno.

My vote goes to Salamence. Hs attack stat is so high that dragon claw can take out a few pokemon without even trying.

Well, a salamence holding a yache berry can survive a STAB'd Ice beam, as my garchomp has several times. This means he can to a dragon dance, and with his high attack he can use EQ, dragon claw, or Rock slide (if he can learn it... aerial ace if not) to OHKO anything that's not a physical tank.

I remember hearing that Draggy has higher stats, but Salamence's are more dangerously set up.

But still... I'll go with dragonite regardless, as he can learn DD too

saslemance@leftovers
adament l 252 attack 139 sp.attack 110 speed 6 hp
-DD
-D-claw
-flamethrower
-EQ

dragonite@leftovers
adament l 252 attack 252sp.defense 6 hp
-DD
-thunder punch
-aqua tail
-D-claw

they are both good i'd go with salamance though.

both of them can pull off the win if they were to battle it just depends on what can of dragonite and salamence you have. If it physical vs physical
salamence would probably win but dragonite could still pull off the win with outrage maybe it could be a one hit kill. Special vs special dragonite would
pull off the win with the ice beam. Because i know that a dragonite could take the dragon pulse hit from salamence. But my vote still goes to dragonite.

Dragonite ppl dnt see it has 1 point more attack ova salamence I dnt lyk it
tho I always lyked dragonite dey nd more dragons dat arent legendary

I dont understand why "Salamence has a higher attack" is being pointed out, the diference is merelly 1 point!!

I think it depends on the movepool, a dragon dancing Dragonite is far better than a Dragon dancing Salamence, since you dont need so much speed when dragon dancing, and the defences really matter. But a choice band/choice specs Salamence is superior to a choice set Draggy, because speed actually matters in choice sets, and because of the intimidate ability.



People may take you more seriously if you fully spell your words and put commas and periods where they belong.

I wold refer Dragonite since it can learn a LOT of moves. On top of that, his defences are better than Salamence. Salamence doesnt have that much advantage to attacks compared to Dragonite so I think Dragonite is better.

why everybody criticize my Salamence...
just because it can't learn some """variety""" of moves isnt it....




My Vote Goes To Salamence


why?


even though Salamence can't learn that """"variety"""" so quote

look at these:


Salamence adamant @ Yache Berry


Hp: 383
Atk: 405
Def: 263
Sp. Atk: 273
Sp. Def: 265
Spd: 328



Crunch
Dragon Claw
Zen Headbutt
Substitute

purely from hoenn
well ev trained
no complains , no complains



this baby's a 100% a Dragonite killer
although it can't cover many types



beat that.......i wait for replies....humph...

Eh, check the date on the last post; it was over a week ago. Anyways, I agree with everything you just said; and Bagon Shelgon learn some good moves before evolving.

those stats seem quite high for Salamence. In fact, having the Spd and Atk stat of 328 and 405 is impossible: you need a nature boosting both stats. Therefore, that Salamence is hacked. (Or you're just posting the highest stats from Salamence - in that case, I don't get your point in posting them)

Those stats are impossible unless you hack, so why post this?

Don't criticize welcomkanna. welcomkanna probably just looked at that and posted those stats.

Dragonite is only winning because of his fanbase =/


Salamence is generally much better. He can be a great Special or Physical sweeper, while Dragonite generally can't do much other than DD + Outrage.

I've actually done DD outrage to hilariously good effect.

In all seriously though Specsmence is incredibly powerful and one of the reasons everyone uses blissey, and is far superior to all these weird sweeper sets everyone's talking about.

Also pitting two pokemon against each other doesn't tell you which is better, and even if that weren't true a physical salamence would use dragon claw, not rock slide on a dragonite.