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Ninjask-Sweeper BPer Build/Moveset
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The Jonatron
Ace Trainer
Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:42 pm Posts: 253
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I'm starting to build my team up, i'm wanting a Ninjask for powering up my sweeper, i'm wondering if to go for...
Focus Sash
-Protect
-Detect
-Batton Pass
This'll give plenty of speed but i could put a move in there for sopping up the Focus Sash turn, this'll give my next poke i'm putting out great speed for sweeping, Ninjask can't learn nasty plot so it won't be much good for setting up my Azelf (my favourite sinnoh poke)
When i get a psysical sweeper this should go well with them, he can't learn Calm mind so i think i should forget about BPing to Azelf...
I could always teach him a defencive stat move to get the sweeper some more staying power.
What do you guys think?
I'm Stuck for Nature, EV build the fourth move.
(if this is in the wrong place tell me and i'll delete/move to the correct place, this is my first search for team building knowledge (team rating suggests that you have a team already...)
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:04 pm |
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Takien
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:21 am Posts: 88 Location: Antarctica
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You DO know that after using Protect, Detect's chance of working gets lower, and vice versa? It's just like using Protect or Detect twice. Anyway, you might wanna give it Swords Dance and an attacking move, and add either Protect or Substitute. Go for a nature that ups speed. EVs: 252 Spd, 252 Atk, 6 Hp. I'm 50% sure about the evs, but the moveset seems fine.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:13 pm |
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Sion9
Pokemon Master
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:46 pm Posts: 1241
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you could give it
Ninjask @ Focus Sash
Jolly 252 Atk/252 Spd/6 HP
Protect
Swords Dance
Aerial Ace
Baton Pass
Protect 1st turn, Swords Dance 2nd, Protect again 3rd, and you BP 2 Atk and 3 Spd boosts.
I give mine Sub over Aerial Ace, as I almost never need an attack move on it, and Sub can be used to block status moves so I can SD a few times. It's your choice, though.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:27 pm |
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The Jonatron
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Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:42 pm Posts: 253
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yeah, the Protect/Detect combo is for stalling for more speed. the sub could be nice for the switched in as it could safely use it's own powering up move twice (it'd have a focus sash too) or one if it's wearing a item to make it's attacks stronger.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:27 pm |
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Sion9
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Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:46 pm Posts: 1241
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The Jonatron wrote: yeah, the Protect/Detect combo is for stalling for more speed.
which doesn't work - it's like using Protect in a row. (I've tried it)
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:37 pm |
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The Jonatron
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ah, Sion, your post apearered between me reading the one before you and posting mine, your moveset seems more my style. with the substitute... will i ever get a chance to make use of the focus sash? if it where to be switched for something more leftovers like i could squeeze out more subs while getting the higher speed.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:47 pm |
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Sion9
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Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:46 pm Posts: 1241
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The Jonatron wrote: with the substitute... will i ever get a chance to make use of the focus sash? if it where to be switched for something more leftovers like i could squeeze out more subs while getting the higher speed.
Sub is only if you know the opponent will use a status move (Protect 1st turn, they might think you don't have Sub...). Otherwise use Protect, SD, Protect, BP.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:51 pm |
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The Jonatron
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Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:42 pm Posts: 253
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that sounds nice, but you missed my point, if you sub you cut your hp, if you cut your hp the focus sash is renderered useless, so might there be a more useful item?
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:53 pm |
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Sion9
Pokemon Master
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:46 pm Posts: 1241
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the point of Focus Sash is to allow you to Swords Dance at least once. If they use a status move, and you predict it and sub, then you can use SD at least once also (maybe more, if they have to switch)
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:55 pm |
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The Jonatron
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Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:42 pm Posts: 253
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ah! i get you! the subs optional! if you counter a status ailment you end up with a sub protected free turn and if you don't use it you get a focus band protectect free turn!!! nice one!
Edit:
Just seen another Ninjask topic saying Protect, Sub, Protect, Sub... (slot in sword dance when useful)...
...Stat boosting berry takes effect, BP!
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:59 pm |
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Zero Cool
Pokemon Ranger
Joined: Tue May 22, 2007 1:17 am Posts: 563
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This works out better for me,
Ninjask @ Leichi Berry
Jolly | Speed Boost
252 Spd, 252 Atk, 4 HP
~ Substitute
~ Double Team
~ Swords Dance
~ Baton Pass
I have this exact poke, it works out pretty darn well. I use DT a lot, when they start to miss my Sub stays up and I start to SD. Also, even though it says it takes 1/4 of your HP for a sub, it doesn't. For some reason it takes a little less making it so you can get in 4 subs and activate the berry.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:11 pm |
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Sion9
Pokemon Master
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:46 pm Posts: 1241
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CLaSsicK wrote: Also, even though it says it takes 1/4 of your HP for a sub, it doesn't. For some reason it takes a little less making it so you can get in 4 subs and activate the berry.
If your Ninjask's HP is not divisible by 4, it won't take exactly 1/4. (It takes 1/4, rounded down).
However, that set sort of depends on getting a DT and surviving the 1st turn cause the attack misses, right? Almost any pokemon can OHKO the sub, so it likely won't survive more than 1 turn without DTs.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:44 pm |
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Alkhazor
Ace Trainer
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:10 pm Posts: 421 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow.
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not to mention double team is for n00bs... the word "cheap" and "hax"come to mind.
Ive posted at least three different ninjask threads in this forum already, but whatever.
Ninjask @ focus sash
protect
substitute
swords dance
baton pass
Ninjask @ leichi
protect
substitute
swords dance/x scissor
baton pass
Ninjask @ leftovers
substitute
swords dance
X scissor
baton pass
Ninjask @ choice band/focus sash/choice scarf/leftovers
Aerial ace
Night slash
X scissor
Thief/baton pass
EVs are ALWAYS 252 ATK 252 SPD and 4 HP UNLESS your going for 4 substitutes. Then pour however many HP EVs youll need. Anywhere from 0 to 12. Take from attack EVs.
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Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:06 am |
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The Jonatron
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Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:42 pm Posts: 253
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hey, i left this post for a fortnight (doubt thats Necromancry), now i'm back to getting around to traing and obtaining this fella, i'm going for the
Ninjask @ leichi
protect
substitute
swords dance
baton pass
Moveset, to set up for a physical sweeper that i'll no doubt make at a later date, Is it worth breeding for a nature? or even good IVs? i see that Attk won't be needed for this fella, so should he get a Def/Sp Def EV nugget? or even HP? though that may mess up the 4 subs moveset. What do you guys think?
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Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:49 am |
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