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o eke so i've been battlin this guy on wifi and i never beat him and we've battled four times...i realized all his pokemon were greatly EV trained but then i realized they were too good EV trained...even to the point of hacking i believe...o eke so here are my proofs

everytime we fight he starts off with aerodactyl
and i start off with mine
his is faster than mine which i accept so that means that it must be EV
I trained max speed cause with mine...
So it's fully EV trained in speed....NEXT
i sent my ninjask out and raised my speed up and did sword dance on him....then baton passed that sword dance and speed onto my salamence...my attack is 371...plus with the sword dance boost raises it to 742...so with that attack the aerodactly should be dead after a dragon claw, but IT SURVIVED IN THE RED!!! now that just made me think like WOAH....that has resistant...but knowing aerodactyl it doesnt have a defense when having max speed....and i figure even if so...not even if it had max Defense EVs or Max HP can it survive that....Do you think that it's Hacked ?

And and also my Starmie's surf with a life orb didnt kill it and it was faster than my starmie which is possible since my starmie has max speed 361 and it's max can be 394...but it still survived a surf even though my special attack isn't that high..lol i cant remember but it was in the high-mid 200s..probably like 259 or something...but should it survive surf with a life orb with that?

There were many other things with other ppl on his but i;ll just say this one too....his milotic was fast as ever...because it was faster than my absol but it also had a defense and special attack...

First he attacked me with a dragon pulse and i woulda died if i wasnt holding a focus stash then i attacked with night slash and it hardly took away 1/4 of his HP and my attack is around 360...then i attacked with sucker punch and that didnt even take away half his life...he wasnt even in yellow and he was holding leftovers...but still...is that a hacked milotic?

O and i found out he has a hacked moveset for his azelf....thanks to mead1ey...i found out azelf cant learn ice beam...cause that azelf was murderous...everytime it went in it would sweep my whole team and never die lol With a moveset of Psychic, Ice beam, T-bolt, Nasty plot and a life orb..but now i know that's hacked and he was coverin it up with a life orb lol

So do you believe this guy hacks or are my pokemon just really weak? lol


Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:18 am
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The Milotic thing isn't much proof. but the other 2 instances speak for themselves, especially the Ice Beam on Azelf.


Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:52 am
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well, i hate to say it but the first aero thing is actually possible even if he had a jolly nature. he would have to max evs in speed and defense to fast enough and still survive that attack, and his hp iv would have to be above 20 for there to be any chance of surviving that, but its possible. (when you attack you dont deal the same damage each time, it kind of varies, so if you got a bad "roll" then he could survive it)

HOWEVER if he did max defense and speed evs that would mean that he has no special attack evs, or almost none, and there is NO WAY he could have taken a surf from starmie at 259 special attack with life orb, even with full special defense ivs. that to me proves he was hacking.

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Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:58 am
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yanmafan wrote:
well, i hate to say it but the first aero thing is actually possible even if he had a jolly nature. he would have to max evs in speed and defense to fast enough and still survive that attack, and his hp iv would have to be above 20 for there to be any chance of surviving that, but its possible. (when you attack you dont deal the same damage each time, it kind of varies, so if you got a bad "roll" then he could survive it)

HOWEVER if he did max defense and speed evs that would mean that he has no special attack evs, or almost none, and there is NO WAY he could have taken a surf from starmie at 259 special attack with life orb, even with full special defense ivs. that to me proves he was hacking.



Maybe Sandstorm was in effect during the battle meaning Aerodactyl's special defense is boosted by 1.5, so that's why it took the surf from Starmie. :?

I don't know what else to say but the Azelf is totally 100% hacked.

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Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:23 pm
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lol nope no sandstorm...the battle just started after i switched out my aerodactyl...


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jamashawalker wrote:
lol nope no sandstorm...the battle just started after i switched out my aerodactyl...


then the aero was hacked.

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Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:27 pm
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Hmmm...this is a big problem nowadays...they can go over the 510 limit for EVs and it's quite hard to prove sometimes so I suggest you can try your luck with the Damage calculator or be absolutely sure that the foe isn't cheating when you battle...do a trade check. :)


Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:46 pm
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oh snap ahhaha i forgot about the damage calc...seriously lol...well from lookin at this damage calc...shadow_tyr was right it is possible for aerodactyl to survive my salamence...with max Speed and defense EVs...but as well it still is hacked cause it has a low special defense...after being hit with a starmie's surf with a life orb...lol thanks


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The damage calculator, if it's from the 3rd gen, is not up-to-date.

Formula for minimum damage in 4th gen.:

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42 * Atk Stat * Atk Power / 50 / Df Stat + 2 * 85 / 100 * Mod1 * STAB * Weak or Resist * Mod2


- Mod1 = 1.3 if using Life Orb, 1 otherwise
- Mod2 = 1.2 if using Expert Belt with super-effective hit
.5 if a type-resisting berry activates
.75 if Solid Rock or Filter activate
1 otherwise

Since I can't even read the first post, I'll leave it to others to do the calculations.


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Taser wrote:
The damage calculator, if it's from the 3rd gen, is not up-to-date.

Formula for minimum damage in 4th gen.:

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42 * Atk Stat * Atk Power / 50 / Df Stat + 2 * 85 / 100 * Mod1 * STAB * Weak or Resist * Mod2


- Mod1 = 1.3 if using Life Orb, 1 otherwise
- Mod2 = 1.2 if using Expert Belt with super-effective hit
.5 if a type-resisting berry activates
.75 if Solid Rock or Filter activate
1 otherwise

Since I can't even read the first post, I'll leave it to others to do the calculations.



wow, so you're saying there are no random values applied in the 4th gen formula, because I always thought that's how it worked for the other games and I assumed it was the same for d/p. by this formula, the starmie surf would do 410 damage to an aero with full ivd special defense but no special defense ev's. As I said before, this scenario and the azelf scenario are the only scenarios mentioned that prove hacking.

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Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:52 am
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Actually, that 85 should be a random number between 85 and 100. So yes, there is some randomness involved.


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Also, shouldnt it be * .67 with solid rock or filter activated, cuz i thought they reduced damage by 33 percent.

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well because we know the azelf is hacked, it means he probably has an AR and pokesav, so personally, i would assume that his other pkmn are hacked as well.

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yanmafan wrote:
Also, shouldnt it be * .67 with solid rock or filter activated, cuz i thought they reduced damage by 33 percent.
It says that in game, but all the damage calculation says it's Really only reduced by 25%


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lol well aerodactyl doesnt even have the ability solid rock or filter


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jamashawalker wrote:
lol well aerodactyl doesnt even have the ability solid rock or filter

really!? :shock:
i was commenting on the formula itself. and before you say im off topic the reason you would want to know the right formula is so that in the future, if this hacker uses a rhyperior or something you will know how to calculate around the damage you should be inflicting

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Intresting, I've battled someone similar and I know that hacking can do some weird things though my proof was a bit more solid, his Starly new Areoblast and his Dragonite knew Roar of Timeit can eastily be done with a wit han Action Replay, if you wouldn't mind could you inform us of who this person is so one of us doesn't get drawn into a wifi battle with him?


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