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jamashawalker
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:57 am Posts: 160
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PokemonnOOb wrote: jamashawalker wrote:
The biggest problem with this is that Metagross's attack is still cut in half by burn...and meteor mash does more damage than facade...
Meteor Mash= 100 damage + STAB = 150
Facade with orb= 140 damage
as stated before as well...your attack will be cut in half so facade would be your only option while EQ and meteor mash are weakened....lol metagross is probably the last person you want to put a flame orb on
Still, most people see metagross, and Immediately assume Agiligross, and switch in a bulky Water.The alternative is Thunder Punch, Which doesn't Work Very well most of the time, Thus making Facade Superior.EQ and Meteor Mash Are orthere for Countering The usual Facade Threat's,
THough pursuit may be better f the set.
jamashawalker wrote:
as stated before as well...your attack will be cut in half so facade would be your only option while EQ and meteor mash are weakened....lol metagross is probably the last person you want to put a flame orb on
This is What make's This set Decent IMHO.
lol actually thunderpunch is great on a metagross...as you said...thunderpunch takes care of bulky water pokemon and it does 150 damage to super effective...while facade only does 140 and everyrthing else you really dont need to worry about because meteor mash and EQ are there...but if they are cut in half, then well metagross is limited by ALOT...and if they are used to counter the usual facade set then well their attack will just go back to normal
Meteor Mash after flame orb= 75 damage Super effective hit- 150 damage
Meteor Mash without flame orb= 150 damage super effective- 300 damage
Facade after flame orb- 140 damage no type coverage
The reason why majority of the facaders are used is because they either have Guts or STAB from facade
Facade from heracross with Guts- 210 Damage
Facade from Hariyama with Guts- 210 Damage
Facade from Swellow with Guts- 315 or 280 i'm not sure how this one works
Facade from Ursaring without guts- 210 Damage
Facade from Metagross- 140 Damage
Overall metagross's attack is too high to be limited by one move and has far better choices from better moves, basically where would a facade fit in, that metagross cant do better and WILL NOT limit him after flame orb?
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Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:56 pm |
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Venumeleon
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Joined: Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:31 pm Posts: 139
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For those in the Ursaring group, Breloom can also work pretty well- Toxic Orb activates Poison Heal, it can learn Mach Punch for Weavile, and can use other moves like Stun Spore and Spore. It's also a little faster at 70 Base Speed.
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Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:17 pm |
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Bushin
Pokemon Ranger
Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:39 am Posts: 689 Location: Brazil-Minas Gerais
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what about this...
@Leftovers
Adamant
Ev:Hp & Att Max (or other better one...)
Guts
-Facade
-Night slash
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
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So he can recover and abuse the sleep to take the Guts/facade boost...
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Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:27 pm |
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PokemonnOOb
Pokemon Trainer
Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:52 pm Posts: 32
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jamashawalker wrote:
lol actually thunderpunch is great on a metagross...as you said...thunderpunch takes care of bulky water pokemon and it does 150 damage to super effective...while facade only does 140 and everyrthing else you really dont need to worry about because meteor mash and EQ are there...but if they are cut in half, then well metagross is limited by ALOT...and if they are used to counter the usual facade set then well their attack will just go back to normal
Meteor Mash after flame orb= 75 damage Super effective hit- 150 damage
Meteor Mash without flame orb= 150 damage super effective- 300 damage
Facade after flame orb- 140 damage no type coverage
The reason why majority of the facaders are used is because they either have Guts or STAB from facade
Facade from heracross with Guts- 210 Damage
Facade from Hariyama with Guts- 210 Damage
Facade from Swellow with Guts- 315 or 280 i'm not sure how this one works
Facade from Ursaring without guts- 210 Damage
Facade from Metagross- 140 Damage
Overall metagross's attack is too high to be limited by one move and has far better choices from better moves, basically where would a facade fit in, that metagross cant do better and WILL NOT limit him after flame orb?
Well, putting it that way, I guess you're right. Just Thought of posting an alternate set for a facader.
As for the Above ursaring
Facade Activates when there's Poison, Burn, or paralisis, and none of that happen's.Gut's activate's but then That ursaring Doesn't need facade taking up a slot when There's a ton of other, better move's to take advantage of Gut's such as:
Earthquake
Slash
Thrash
Close Combat
brick Break
Return
Or just about anything but, IN THIS CASE(and metagross's Case as well) Facade.
Not to mention a 1/3 a chance of screwing up and picking rest.
How about Slaking
Slaking@Toxic Orb
I can't currently think of an EV spread or nature right now
Yawn
Facade
Focus Punch
EarthQuake
The main Idea is simple:
First Turn
Yawn
Second Turn
Poison Seep's In And
A)They Switch out......B)They fall asleep
Third Turn:................Third Turn:
Facade......................Focus punch
And repeat.
I hope I helped.
P.S: I like Facade Breloom
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:03 pm |
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Sapphirath
Pokemon Ranger
Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:25 am Posts: 627 Location: Singapore
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Errr...the 2nd turn should be Truant if I'm not wrong...so you can't do anything when they switch out their Pokemon...which means they got a free switch in on Slaking with its counter. Not Good.
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:17 am |
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PokemonnOOb
Pokemon Trainer
Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:52 pm Posts: 32
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Sapphirath wrote: Errr...the 2nd turn should be Truant if I'm not wrong...so you can't do anything when they switch out their Pokemon...which means they got a free switch in on Slaking with its counter. Not Good.
If they switch Out, the Get a 210 base Power Facade at them.
If they stay, they fall asleep and Focus Punched.
Earthquake is just filler,That can be replaced by anything, preferably a dark or ghost type move
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:20 am |
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Sapphirath
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Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:25 am Posts: 627 Location: Singapore
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Lol don't understand? Ok imagine this: 1st turn, Slaking uses yawn. Opponent attacks. Next Turn, opponent switches (Well tell me who would wait for his/her Pokemon to sleep and get owned?) out to someone to COUNTER Slaking and it CAN'T move cos of Truant. Next turn, if the foe is faster(Most likely is...the better players will sure know that they'll get owned if they swicthed in something slower), it whacks Slaking with a Super Effective move and that's bb Slaking.
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:58 am |
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PokemonnOOb
Pokemon Trainer
Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:52 pm Posts: 32
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Sapphirath wrote: Lol don't understand? Ok imagine this: 1st turn, Slaking uses yawn. Opponent attacks. Next Turn, opponent switches (Well tell me who would wait for his/her Pokemon to sleep and get owned?) out to someone to COUNTER Slaking and it CAN'T move cos of Truant. Next turn, if the foe is faster(Most likely is...the better players will sure know that they'll get owned if they swicthed in something slower), it whacks Slaking with a Super Effective move and that's bb Slaking.
So he switches out, and bring's Bring's out, say Infernape.
He's got 75% Hp, And he's poisoned.
Infernape Use's close combat and at worst, Slaking live in the red and Counter's with Facade Which then OHKO's
The Infernape. This assuming a plus Def, Nature On Slaking Minus sp atk, And a Plus atk nature on infernape With Choice Band with a Minus sp def. In short, SLaking is Diehard.(That's not to say he won't faint afterwards though because of toxic, but you get the idea of how Beastly strong he is)
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:20 am |
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Sapphirath
Pokemon Ranger
Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:25 am Posts: 627 Location: Singapore
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Ya go on, what happens to Slaking after it KOed the Infernape? It gets KOed without doing anything else because the next turn is TRUANT and Slaking's not gonna do anything. Oh, and even if you switch him out he won't be of much use when he's switched in again. Also, Infernape's Clsoe Combat is an Almost guarantee take out on Slaking considering the fact that Slaking we'll most likely be injured during the turn it used yawn. Compared with the other pokemon I don't think Slaking qualifies as a good Facader. Use him with the classic Moveset. Trust me it works a lot better.
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:34 am |
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PokemonnOOb
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Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:52 pm Posts: 32
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Ugh, well, it looked good on paper,(At least to Me) Then back to the drawing board for another good facader no one has thought of yet.
I Have it (At least I think I do)
Miltank@FlameOrb/ToxicOrb
Again, I can't think of an EV spread
Ability: Scrappy
Heal Bell
Curse/Brick Break
Milk Drink
Facade
This is Obvious,
Heal Bell And Milk drink When Needed
Brick break For those Annoying rock Types
Scrappy let's you Hit ghost's...
She Has Good Def's and And Atk.
I don't see Why not.
*Pray's So that this set Doesn't fail like the last 2*
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:33 am |
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Sapphirath
Pokemon Ranger
Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:25 am Posts: 627 Location: Singapore
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Errr, I don't think Flame Orb's a good item....cos unlike Pokemon with Guts, the -50% on attack from burn doesn't disappear on Miltank. I'm not sure about the rest though, would have to try it out before I come up with any conclusions.
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Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:01 am |
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