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Just Clarify I suck at EV's feel free to change them up.

{primeape} Primape@ Salac
252 Speed / 125 Attack / 125 Defense
Beat-Up
Endure
Reversal
Rock Slide

end-rever, and I just put beat-up and fire punch to cover weaknesses.


{arcanine} Arcanine@ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Attack / 6 Sp. Def
Flamethrower
Howl
Roar
Toxic

Toxi-shuffling Arcanine, just made it up. Howl and crunch there for attacking.

{tyranitar} Tyranitar@ Leftovers
252 HP / 68 speed / 190 Sp.A
Crunch
Aerial Ace
Thunderbolt
Earthquake

I use this in real life tournaments, and it gives them a real suprise sometimes.


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Aracanine: Crunch is useless on Arcanine.

Primape: Never teach Primape a Special Attack.

Tyranitar: Huh?

These are just my suggestions, other than that they seem okay.

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just some more I pulled out of my head, Maybe some will even be worthwhile :lol: .

{salamence} Salamence @ Salac
Belly Drum
Earthquake
HP Flying
Rock Slide

Bellymence, might work. Just the same as Bellyzard, alot of prediction.

{banette} Bannette @ Chesto Berry
Curse
Will-o-Wisp
Knock-Off
Rest/Snatch/Thunderbolt

You curse, w-o-w, and knock off then you can either rest up or attack.

{gyarados} Gyarados @ Leichi/Salac Berry
Flail
Endure/ Substitute
Dragon Dance
Earthquake/Thunderbolt

Flaildos.

{heracross} Heracross @ Leichi/Salac Berry
Flail
Endure/ Substitute
Swords Dance
Megahorn/ Rock Slide

Flailcross

{aggron} Aggron @ Leftovers
Trait: Rock Head
Thunder Wave
Smelling-Salt
Double-Edge
Earthquake

I always wanted to know if smelling salt could do some damage. U T-Wave then smellingsalt. And then semi-sweep.


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tiger10x wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Butterfree won't do well. Twisted Spoon barely ups Psychic moves and Quick Claw doesn't work too often. Also, having two moves of the same type cuts down on being able to beat more types. Mixed Sweeping is also harder because it may involve split EV's. I really can't see that working too well. I also can't really see a way of improving it but keeping the strategy. Butterfree just doesn't have the stats to do that. Sorry.
I gave it psychic because only four pokemon have vital spirit and the most used of them are fighting.

But If you think that Butterfree won't work because of stats:
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Modest Nature
-Sleep powder, Dream Eater, Psychic, Giga Drain
EV's: 252 Sp. Att, 252 Spd, 6 Hp

Sleep powder and Dream Eater on most opponents, Psychic if you are up against a pokemon w/Vital spirit or you think they are going to switch out. Giga drain should be used in place of Dream Eater when facing dark or psychic types.

How about that?

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You cant sumbit more than 2 Pokemon at a time, I think. And I thought Light Screen wouldnt really do much, in real life I would switch out.
I hope once I get NB I dont run into a Pokemon w/Magnet Pull and HP Fire.... *shudders*

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daveshan wrote:
Image @Leftovers
Modest Nature
-Sleep powder, Dream Eater, Psychic, Giga Drain
EV's: 252 Sp. Att, 252 Spd, 6 Hp

Sleep powder and Dream Eater on most opponents, Psychic if you are up against a pokemon w/Vital spirit or you think they are going to switch out. Giga drain should be used in place of Dream Eater when facing dark or psychic types.

How about that?


Here's how SleepEating works.

Exeggutor uses Sleep Powder.
Random Pokemon falls asleep.
Opponent switches Random Pokemon with CB Megahorn Heracross.
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First, please limit your Pokemon, Gardevoir~ said. The limit is two. Either way, some of those have major problems with them, and most aren't even creative. I see no reason to look further into them; no offense.

And daveshan: It isn't just the stats on Butterfree that won't let it work, it's the strategy itself. It isn't that good. However, on Exeggutor, I have the same to say about the two Psychic moves, as it cuts off on variety. Also, the only difference between that and the Standard is Dream Eater for Leech Seed, which wouldn't be an improvement to the Standard anyway. It's not just one problem that stops me from testing those.

I'm thinking of writing up something of a guideline on how these get to be tested and get into the HoF so people can know. A little more than what papersun originally defined in his first post about it.

Edit: And S_S, that would be a CB Megahorn Heracross. :P


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...total brainfart. Thanks for clearing that up. But HP Bug would still easily OHKO Exggy anyways, Megahorn would probably be overkill IMO. :lol:

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If I may make a comment on the Bantette, Insomnia prevents sleep. So Rest is a no-no.
For my Scizors, like I said, the only way it would die extremely quickly would be:
Pokemon w/Magnet Pull+HP Fire
Fire Type, person wont switch it out
And I thinky that the Evs should be like you said with Impish Nature and SW. So it says:
{scizor} @Scope Lens
Impish/Swarm
EVs: 129A 129HP, 252 SD
Silver Wind
Swords Dance
Focus Energy
Slash

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JsXtm has received 5 Psybucks for his Metagross set in the HoF. Congratulations :D

To add on to the comments by the other members and tiger10x, I like the "Criticalzor", because Swords Dance, Scope Lens and Focus Energy is going to cause some really major damage IMO, as long as it survives long enough to set SD and FE up.

Dream Eater + Hypnosis/Sleep Powder/etc. is a good strategy in-game, because of the AI. However, it would not work when battling your friends/Netbattling, simply because a switch to other Pokemon would prevent the Eating. ace18, please limit your Pokemon to not more than two at each time. I don't see many creative movesets in there; some are even rather standard. Sorry, and no offense.

tiger10x, go ahead and write the explanation. I'll add it to papersun's explanation for you once it's done.

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What about
{jynx} @ Lefties
Modest/Oblivious
Perish Song
Mean Look
Ice Punch
Psychic

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How does this Girafarig do?

{girafarig} @ Leftovers
Ability:Early Bird
Nature:Modest (+ Special Atack,- Atack)
EVs:252 Special Atack,129 Speed,129 Special defense
~HP (Fire)
~Rest
~Psychic
~Thunderbolt/Crunch

The strategy with this Girafarig is pretty obvious.HP (Fire) takes care of Bug types and if I`m right Rest lasts half as long with Early Bird.Thunderbolt or Crunch are optional but I recomend Thunderbolt so it can do some damage to Dark types.The EV spread is in Special Atack (for the best posible damage with Psychic without using a status booster),Speed (so it doesn`t get destroyed by Dark types right away) and Special Defense (so it can survive a Dark move).It might have trouble with Dark types but that`s pretty much it.


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Image @Leftover/Lechi Berry
Nature: Modest
EV's: 252 Sp Att, 252 Spd, 6 Sp Def
-Hail, Blizzard, Water Pulse, HP Fire

Use hail to give Blizzard 100% accuracy, Water pulse incase of fire pokemon, HP fire for steel and ice opponents.

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Jynx: Actually not too original, as that type's quite common. Ice Beam would work better than Ice Punch anyway, because of the higher power. Sorry.

Girafarig: Looks good and worth testing. I'm not sure about the Early Bird/Rest thing, but I'm willing to test that too.

Glalie: Also looks worth testing. However, I remember a time on NB where Blizzard has missed during Hail, and I'm not sure about the actual handheld game. If it doesn't work well enough, I'll switch it for Crunch. And, Liechi berry increases Attack, not Spec. Attack. It's Petaya that increases Spec. Attack.

Haven't started that explanation yet.

Edit: (Some results)

Scizor did excellently. Just the few dismays of being heavily damaged wasn't that good. Team massacre. :P 10 well-earned PsyBucks. Put Silver Wind/HP Bug on the attack spot for Silver Wind. (The PP problems)

Glalie didn't do well at all, though. It didn't do much damage anyway. So no.

Girafarig hasn't been tested yet.


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Damn, I'm going to find one that works one of these days.

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Flygon @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 16 Atk / 240 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
-Sunny Day
-Fire Blast/Flamethrower
-SolarBeam
-Earthquake

idk if this is used often but here 'tis.

STABed EQs don't care about Modest Nature.

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{crobat} @lefties(or something better?)
252 speed, 252 attack, 6hp
areal(sp?) ace
mean look
confuse ray
poison fang
For 2-2 battles paired with a toxi-tank or toxi-*insert option here*

OR

{crobat} @lefties(or something better?)
252 speed, 252 attack, 6hp
areal(sp?) ace
confuse ray/hypnosis
hp rock/giga drain/hp bug
hp rock/giga drain/hp bug

hp rock for electric/ice(right?) pkmn, giga drain for rock pkmn, hp bug for psychic pkmn, and hypnosis/confuse ray for obvious reasons

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{blissey} @ Lefties

Light Screen
Double Edge
Attract
Soft-Boiled

I guess this is just a staller set. Just becarful of gengars :evil:

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{blastoise} @ leftovers

Toxic
Roar
Surf
EarthQuake

A toxi-shuffling blastoise they won't expect that and then when u've successfully poisoned them all he can battle with EQ and surf i'm not good at evs so u can put those in

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Toxi-shuffler you mean? I'm lost :|:|:|

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Did I miss a post that you rated Ursaring on?

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*takes earwax out of ear* ...Did...I..hear...what...you..just...said...correctly? *imaginary "yes" *
WHOO! GO ME!! WHOOP WHOOP! [/happyspasm]
Whee, I made a good set!
Off topic slightly- On XD, guess what? Scyther has an Impish Nature! Now I can have my Criticalzor in my GBA games! That made my day-er-week. Now if I have the luck to make it have HP Bug...
Back on-topic- I am so happy. *imitates Spongebob* This...is..the..best..day...of...my...life...

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Ivan_May wrote:

hp rock for electric/ice(right?) pkmn, giga drain for rock pkmn, hp bug for psychic pkmn, and hypnosis/confuse ray for obvious reasons

electric is weak against ground, not rock.

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daveshan wrote:
Ivan_May wrote:

hp rock for electric/ice(right?) pkmn, giga drain for rock pkmn, hp bug for psychic pkmn, and hypnosis/confuse ray for obvious reasons

electric is weak against ground, not rock.

electric is weak against both ground and rock.
I was questioning if rock was strong against ice or not.
EDIT:BTW, Anyone atall think my crobat is sub-par even?

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Rock is super effective against Ice. Electric is NOT weak to rock, only ground.

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